We are known around the world for the comedic exploits of one man...
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The thing about any “treatment of natives” narrative that bugs me is how it portrays any group of colonists as a bunch of assholes who waltzed in, introduced warfare, and beat up on the natives because they were greedy, while the natives are always portrayed as defenseless saints who would never dream of harming a fly. It’s kinda demeaning to both parties.
In North America, at least, the colonists and the natives that opposed them were both barbaric when dealing with each other, which is pretty normal for violent conflicts. Hence the term violent conflict. And hence the reason people try to avoid violent conflict.
If you wanna talk about unethical policies done by the US, the Tuskegee experiments are WAY worse in my mind than engaging in fairly standard wars of expansion.
In North America, at least, the colonists and the natives that opposed them were both barbaric when dealing with each other, which is pretty normal for violent conflicts. Hence the term violent conflict. And hence the reason people try to avoid violent conflict.
If you wanna talk about unethical policies done by the US, the Tuskegee experiments are WAY worse in my mind than engaging in fairly standard wars of expansion.
@Marc0_2nd_acc said in #5:
> Ugh, my country (Mexico) has done thousands of bad things.
>
> Since Mexico has chosen one of it's worst presidents, who is Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, (best known as AMLO in our country)
imagine, his parents would have named him "Lopez Manuel Andres Obrador" instead *LMAO*
> Ugh, my country (Mexico) has done thousands of bad things.
>
> Since Mexico has chosen one of it's worst presidents, who is Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, (best known as AMLO in our country)
imagine, his parents would have named him "Lopez Manuel Andres Obrador" instead *LMAO*
There are many seriously awful things that the US has done, but inflicting Madonna on the world is unforgivable just by itself. Our self-rule privileges should be revoked until the situation is more in hand.
USA - slavery i feel
Deluding ourselves.
@clousems said in #12:
> The thing about any “treatment of natives” narrative that bugs me is how it portrays any group of colonists as a bunch of assholes who waltzed in, introduced warfare, and beat up on the natives because they were greedy, while the natives are always portrayed as defenseless saints who would never dream of harming a fly. It’s kinda demeaning to both parties.
> In North America, at least, the colonists and the natives that opposed them were both barbaric when dealing with each other, which is pretty normal for violent conflicts. Hence the term violent conflict. And hence the reason people try to avoid violent conflict.
> If you wanna talk about unethical policies done by the US, the Tuskegee experiments are WAY worse in my mind than engaging in fairly standard wars of expansion.
I don't necessarily believe it in the terms of the beginning of your comment, I understand the dynamic of the situation... what made it insidious wasn't the average American - it was the actions of the government, military and a smaller handful of 'intrepid' citizens.
Things like the trail of tears, the continual negation and dishonoring of unequal treaties, denial of any freedom or right to their own land.
Sure natives fought back (and who in their right mind wouldn't - I mean what would the response be if the tables were turned?) - but let's face it, it was a one sided war with very little quarter for 200 years, until there was no where left to go except where the govt let them scrape by an existence...
even the arabs were more hospitable to those they conquered in the 600s, allowing Jews, Christians to coexist as near equals in society. Natives due to our essentially white supremacist policies were treated as less than trash and dishonored at every turn... You don't see many native/white cross ethnicities do you? Almost all of Mexico is. But in the US we kept them out of society entirely... and to this day, largely still do.
It's easy to write off the deaths of millions to tens of millions when it's "conquest" for some maybe... but not me...
& while it was certainly nothing less than a betrayal, the purposeful infection of 400 people in the south does not even begin to compare.
> The thing about any “treatment of natives” narrative that bugs me is how it portrays any group of colonists as a bunch of assholes who waltzed in, introduced warfare, and beat up on the natives because they were greedy, while the natives are always portrayed as defenseless saints who would never dream of harming a fly. It’s kinda demeaning to both parties.
> In North America, at least, the colonists and the natives that opposed them were both barbaric when dealing with each other, which is pretty normal for violent conflicts. Hence the term violent conflict. And hence the reason people try to avoid violent conflict.
> If you wanna talk about unethical policies done by the US, the Tuskegee experiments are WAY worse in my mind than engaging in fairly standard wars of expansion.
I don't necessarily believe it in the terms of the beginning of your comment, I understand the dynamic of the situation... what made it insidious wasn't the average American - it was the actions of the government, military and a smaller handful of 'intrepid' citizens.
Things like the trail of tears, the continual negation and dishonoring of unequal treaties, denial of any freedom or right to their own land.
Sure natives fought back (and who in their right mind wouldn't - I mean what would the response be if the tables were turned?) - but let's face it, it was a one sided war with very little quarter for 200 years, until there was no where left to go except where the govt let them scrape by an existence...
even the arabs were more hospitable to those they conquered in the 600s, allowing Jews, Christians to coexist as near equals in society. Natives due to our essentially white supremacist policies were treated as less than trash and dishonored at every turn... You don't see many native/white cross ethnicities do you? Almost all of Mexico is. But in the US we kept them out of society entirely... and to this day, largely still do.
It's easy to write off the deaths of millions to tens of millions when it's "conquest" for some maybe... but not me...
& while it was certainly nothing less than a betrayal, the purposeful infection of 400 people in the south does not even begin to compare.
And my country, china, built great firewall......
I hate GFW!
It's what you are talking about.-_-
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